Question: Another question for skeptics. Do you really believe that ALL ghost and/or UFO sightings are false?
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Answer #1:
Yep. UFOs are simply 'unidentified' - that covers a lot of ground. Most people who report UFOs don't ever bother looking up, and then get confused when they do. You don't get UFO reports from astronomers, and we spend all our time looking up - that's because we know what we're looking at. Sure, many great scientists were on the fringe - in science, that's where everyone is. We're out on the edges of the new fields, trying to figure them out. But there's a difference between the edges of science and complete nonsense. We don't get anything usable from the people talking nonsense. No, global warming is not seriously being questioned in science. Fox News is not a legitimate source for science. Science journals are.Ghosts are like UFOs. People don't know what they're looking at and they don't bother to check. They're too scared. If you actually get up and look for the source of noise, or shadow, or light, or whatever it was - it never turns out to be supernatural.
Answer #2:
"Another question for skeptics. Do you really believe that ALL ghost and/or UFO sightings are false?"Well I'm sure the majority of such sightings are reported honestly, though always with the possibility of exaggeration, visual illusion (especially with UFOs and judging distance in the dark), inaccurate recall, and the tendency to fill-in-the-gaps (lights in the dark don't mean a spaceship).
"What are the odds of a room full of people hallucinating at the exact same time?"
Small, but rarely is this a needed explanation either. When one person sees a ghost, hallucination of some kind needs to be considered. When several people or more see a ghost, other explanations become more likely and should be considered first.
"The real question is whether or not ALL of the UFO sightings are false. Are they scientifically reproducible? No. ......... Are they all unreal?"
Unreal as in misidentified, misrepresented or hoaxed? Yes probably. I say probably, not absolutely.
"All it takes is ONE for me to be right ... one real ghost, one real UFO ... out of all those cases."
Indeed, and I'm waiting for that one real case to happen! I'm open minded to any new evidence.
Answer #3:
First I think you are confused about what a "skeptic" is. Being a skeptic does not denote believer or non-believer. A skeptic might believe in something, but be waiting, or chasing down that evidence to prove it. A skeptic can actually be a believer, and I am sure most of them start out as believers.You are correct, all you need to do is prove one real ghost exists or that one UFO is an alien spacecraft (or interdimensional craft, or time machine or what not) and you win.
Believe it or not, this is the one case that most skeptics want to see. The one case that will change science and our view of the world forever, and confirm that the paranormal world (or aliens) do exist.
Answer #4:
Many are false, many are mistakes, I believe none are paranormal.I agree Ghosts and UFO's are not reproducible. I base my disbelief in ghosts on years of looking for one and visits to more haunted places then you can count. UFO's I'm sure there are many honest sightings. I also agree, chances are there is other life in The Universe. I'm skeptical aliens come to Earth for crop artwork, animal mutilation, human abduction and Mexican tourism. If it's even possible to conquer the distance between solar systems is a puzzle.
What about other paranormal claims and abilities? Certainly a medium, clairvoyant or someone with any of the many psychic abilities claimed, could reproduce their abilities.
After the thousands of years of paranormal claims, the fact we're still waiting for evidence of that one real ghost or UFO, is an indication it's not coming.
For the record, no one would be more pleased to see a ghost, UFO or anything supernatural then me.
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Fringe,you have a very intriguing post which required a lot of thought on your part,very good job in my opinion! I've had a lot of experiences over my life time and I'm going on 54 years of age.I'm so tired of skeptics in this section,most have never had a personal experience.I can tell you this when I was a little girl and my dad was a pilot,I would hear him tell of a lot of stories of UFO sightings way back when,he and his pilot friends would talk about them all of the time and I use to go flying with my dad when I was a little girl,he owned a couple of planes and then we would go back to the airport and to the tower,I would hear all of these stories.I have seen on tv and even read that Dr.'s have taken out these foreign implants from people that can't be identified at all,it's still a mystery.Scientists can't disprove UFOs or even spirits.My experiences have been with spirits.I have been visited by my dad and my grandma too,I've even lived in two homes where the people had committed suicide and their presence's were still in the home.I even had an encounter with a negativity entity in a friends home as well that physically grabbed both of my ankles.You know,I don't care if anyone believes me at all,I know what I experienced and what I saw with my own two eyes.My belief is that we live in the physical world but a spiritual world exists as well.We all are humans and we have souls which our our spirits.It's amazing on this site how many know it all's there are.I mean if they were that intelligent they would be in the Mensa society.This is my belief.Just my thoughts.Tomb Raider.EDit@ Fringe,tonight on the travel channel at 11:00 pm is a show on UFO's,thought you would be interested in this,I believe it's called Weird Travels.
Answer #6:
Do you really believe that ALL ghost and/or UFO sightings are false?Most likely, as there are no examples of such things with independently verifiable evidence that stands up to the standards of scientific scrutiny. At least, not yet -- we are still waiting, with skeptical, yet open, minds. Non-reproducibility of paranormal phenomena is only *part* of the reasoning behind skeptics. The fact that these things are not subject to disproof, and can't be predicted, and have almost always been shown to be hoaxes or illusions are other parts of the reasoning of skeptics.
"...I have a hard time letting the official story of mainstream science shape my understanding of the whole of reality."
You seem to misunderstand what science is and how it works. Science is not a story, or a dogma, that scientists stick to. There are no official positions on any particular issues - there is only a general consensus based on mounds of evidence. This consensus is provisional and subject to modification in light of new evidence, but there are strict, universal standards for evaluating the veracity of evidence. It's true that some mainstream (i.e. popular) scientific ideas that we had in the past turned out to be wrong, and that some scientific ideas that turned out to be correct came from scientists that were thought to be on the fringe. But these advances in our knowledge came from science, not unsubstantiated claims.
A good example: Scientists once thought the sound barrier could not be broken. A perfectly reasonable scientific hypothesis based on several observations of people trying to break the sound barrier and then crashing. But after some advances in engineering and enough experiments, this hypothesis was proved wrong. It was proved wrong by science - testable, repeatable, independently verifiable scientific observations. It wasn't proved wrong by someone claiming, "Hey, I saw someone break the sound barrier. No one else saw it, and I can't repeat the observation, but you just have to believe me. Just because every past claim of breaking the sound barrier has proven to be a hoax or a mistake, and just because no one has ever observed it doesn't mean it can't be broken. You just have to believe me. I saw it." OK, this does not suffice in science.
Science is a set of methods for acquiring knowledge about how the universe works - about the nature of reality. Science is logical, systematic, repeatable, testable, predictive, disprovable, self-critical, self-correcting, progressive, and universal. It is the best, if not only, set of tools we have for understanding the whole of reality. There is no other human endeavor that should be shaping your understanding of reality.
BTW, if you are buying into the dishonest, misinformed propaganda that global warming may be proved wrong, it's not surprising that you are getting your misinformation from Faux news. If you want to know what actual climate scientists think about global warming, you should read what actual climate scientists say about it (see links below).
Answer #7:
Regarding UFOs, yes, UFOs and aliens are real. You might not be aware how many of these UFO incidents have actually been captured and recorded on radar where these things start-stop, zig-zag and travel faster than anything conventional, but most importantly, demonstrate intelligent control. So the question is, if they aren't ours, whose are they? The second question is, if they are intelligently controlled, who's controlling them? If there are alien craft, by definition, they must be controlled by aliens. If these are actual craft rather than probes, they likely contain occupants, as the purpose of a craft is to carry a payload. So, yes, it is likely aliens have visited Earth, and recently, based on the multiple recordings released by the F.A.A.. This radar evidence is corroborated by military and/or civilian commercial pilots. Their testimony is also official record and has been released by the F.A.A..PILOT SIGHTINGS CONFIRMED BY RADAR
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In addition to this evidence, there are two new books that have recently been released that document the history of credible UFO sightings around the world. Volume 1 from 1947 - 1973 and Volume 2 1973-1991. These are a comprehensive collection of the most significant sightings that have been corroborated by either multiple eyewitnesses or military pilots or commercial pilots, so the books have weeded out the accounts from the tin-foil hat brigade.
VOLUME 1 - UFOs and the National Security State: 1941-1973 Richard Dolan
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VOLUME 2 - UFOs and the National Security State: 1973-1991 Richard Dolan
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You may wonder why the U.S. government denies the exitence of UFOs, why scientists deny their existence, why our universities deny their existence. They claim such a secret, as large as this one would be, could not be kept from the public. While some secrets have been kept, overall the phenomenon has not been covered up. It is in the open, in plain sight with countries like the U.K. disclosing their UFO sightings en mass:
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The phenomenon is simply not being officially acknowledged, similar to not acknowledging a country exists, like Palestine, for instance.
Some scientists claim that since traveling past the speed of light is impossible, the phenomenon is impossible as it would take too long to travel the thousands of light years required to get to here. However, it is important to consider only those who have learned how to bridge the speed of light would be visiting. They would have thousands if not millions of years of greater scientific understanding than we do. They are also likely more intelligent than us as they will have had a longer period to evolve. Looking at it in this way, the speed of light limitation is really not a factor and discussing it serves only to muddle the truth.
NASA ASTRONAUT SAYS THEY ARE REAL
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Good Luck!
Answer #8:
UFOs- UNIDENTIFIED flying objects. they are top secret military planes and cannot leave sufficient evidence for proof so America's enemies have no way to find out about them.Ghosts- ILLUSIONS!!!
Answer #9:
There are so many answers to this question you may just miss me here. BUT skeptical allows believers to examine the information without conviction. I have to remain skeptical about my own beliefs...sounds odd to say..but if you say to others I am a true believer they will not give you clear information to begin with.Answer #10:
Science to me is completely irrelevant and scientific skeptics are of course quite a close-minded bunch. They have a "if you can't see it, then it must not be real" mentality and are often the type of people that deny God, the devil and the afterlife.I believe that a majority of scientific theories can be proved wrong because all theories are, are just a bunch of estimated guesses created by a human mind. In no way is the human mind perfect and it cannot answer everything unusual that goes on out there with science. Air cannot be seen or held in the palm of your hands but yet SCIENTIST believe it to be real lolAnswer #11:
True, but luckily for us one case doesn't exist. Dude, you used faux (fox) news and wikepedia as sources. Get a life, and don't come back until you have irrefutable proof for your claims (which you don't/will never have).Answer #12:
Well, I don't know if every single one is fake, but I'd bet that most are.Answer #13:
Usually citing from Fox News and Wikipedia isn't your best decision to strengthen your argument.Answer #14:
Below is one of my favorite YouTube videos. Neil deGrasse Tyson speaking about "argument from ignorance". The key is about UFOs is what the U stands for. It means unidentified, and if you don't know what it is, you can't state that it must be aliens. You don't know and that is where you must stop.The worst type of evidence for science is eyewitness testimony. What is wanted is physical evidence. Some alien DNA would be best.
Science knows it has limitations. It is a method not a position. When better evidence turns up the old explanations are discarded.
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." – Christopher Hitchens
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maybe not all ghosts are false but ufos might beAnswer #16:
You misunderstand what it means to be a skeptic! If you go to buy a car (a used car especially), you don't, I hope, take the salesperson word when he speaks of all the truly remarkable qualities of that car in question. Of course you don't! You take it for a spin, look under the hood, inspect the tires, etc. This is all the skeptics do when examining wild claims, ask the hard questions and demand quality evidence.Do you know that only "skeptics" didn't believe that the city of Troy may have been a real place? Your example of Troy is really not a good one.
The doubters would just like to see a bit more than anecdotal evidence, photos that could too easily have been faked, etc.
I see that Panther Moon (perhaps your strongest cohort) is almost vitriolically opposed to science and skepticism, as if she has been personally attacked by logic and reason. Why is it that hate seems to come more often from the believers than the incredulous? Panther Moon apparently believes in God, and by default perhaps the bible. The bible commands to avoid spiritism and fortune-telling, Panther Moon is disobeying the word of God. I wonder how she rationalizes that?
Answer #17:
FOXNews? Most of the information coming from them is "paranormal".Quote: "All it takes is ONE for me to be right ... one real ghost, one real UFO ... out of all those cases."
Yes, but still you don't have one single extraterrestial lifeform or ghost to show to someone else have you?
I am sure there are extraterrestrial lifeforms but they have never been here and will probably never get here. As for ghosts...nope, there are no ghosts!
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